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Brock Fluharty
06-29-2007, 01:45 AM
I recently setup a 5.5 gallon tank for 6 dwarf seahorses. I figured i'd go ahead and post an incomplete care guide for them. I'm sure I will forget some things, so I may go back and add replies.

Dwarf seahorses are appealing in every aspect to the average hobbyist. They are small, cute, cheap, and require tiny tanks. But if you want to successfully keep H. zosterae, or the dwarf seahorse, you'll spend more $ than you expect. Upon arrival, the dwarf seahorses will need to be fw dipped, or treated with a formalin bath. Also, they should be properly quarantine for a minimum of 4 weeks.

Dwarf seahorses (often abbreviated DSH) require live brine shrimp 2-3 times a day. Very few dsh's have ever been trained to eat frozen food, and those that do quickly go back to live. Up until a few months ago, it was thought that newly hatched baby brine shrimp (bbs) less than 24 hours old was the best food for them. But many keepers weren't seeing their herds really thriving. So now most of us DSH keepers use 3-5 day old enriched brine shrimp. The brine shrimp eggs you buy should be decapped, which is essentially removing the outer chell of the egg, so the brine shrimp uses up less of it's yolk sac to break out of the egg, and has a cleaner hatching, with no shells. www.seahorsesource.com now sells decapped bbs eggs. The enrichment is personal choice. I use AlgaMac 3050. It's nice, but anything liquid would be much easier IMO.

The reason tank size recommendations are so small for dsh is because they are lazy. They won't get off their hitch and cruise around looking for brine shrimp. They casually wait for some brine shrimp to pass them, and snick it down. So in order to ensure that a few brine shrimp are passing by each dwarf at any given point in time, we have to have a high feeding density. To get the desired feeding density, it's easiest to have a small tank. The larger the tank, the more brine shrimp you'll need. Then they won't all be eaten, and the water will foul quickly. Also if you have say 10 dwarfs in a 30 gallon, you likely won't see them. Dwarfs max out at about one inch. IME, males tend to be bigger, and more robust than females. Females look almost like fry. Weak and brittle looking. There really is no way to get around feeding density ATM, since you really can't have a clean-up crew. Most clean up crews consist of hermit crabs, which would gladly snack on a dwarf or two. Snails may also eat the dwarfs, or any fry they might have.

Filtration is often recommended to be a sponge filter. Which is a good choice. It won't suck up fry, or adults, and doesn't create "flow" per-se. I, however, use a power filter (AquaClear mini, controllable flow output) with filter floss over the intake, and the flow turned down quite a bit. The filter floss does need to be rinsed out once every 4-5 days, or brine shrimp will accumulate quickly. Regular water changes are also necessary, as with all tanks. Dsh tanks may require more frequent water changes than say a reef tank, because of the constant supply of dirty live foods. I say dirty, because brine shrimp are the nastiest things on earth. Just smell some brine shrimp hatch water. Yum...

Lighting doesn't need to be special. Too bright and it will irritate the dwarfs, and cause the temperature to spike. Too little and they won't be able to see their food.

Breeding of dsh is quite amazing. It's much different from the bigger breeds. The male will scooch up next to a female, and start shaking. He will quiver for a second or two, then stop. If she is responsive, she will do it back. After a little bit of this, they will parade around the tank holding each other's tails. The female will them deposit her eggs into the males pouch. Gestation is temperature dependant, and is usually around 2 weeks. Typical brood numbers are around 3-8 fry. My male just had 15 :)

Raising the fry can be difficult, but rewarding. They will require bbs (less than 24 hours old, or older than 24 hours old and enriched) 2-3 times daily. The below guidelines are for dsh keepers that want to separate the fry to a fry tank. Some people choose to raise them with the adults, and this works also.

Regular water changes are needed, as well as an airline. No filtration is recommended for fry tanks, so an airline is a must for oxygenation of the water. I would shoot for 75% water changes (bare minimum) daily, making sure you siphon any uneaten bbs out.

Dwarf seahorse fry are benthic, which means they will hitch at birth. So a kriesel type fry tank isn't necessary. Provide a plastic plant for them to hitch to.

Dwarf seahorse tank mates, IMO, should be avoided ALTOGETHER. Most species of shrimp, crab, fish, and some corals would gladly eat an adult, or the fry faster than you could blink.

Any macros, or live rock should be treated with panacur for 6 days before introduction to the dsh tank. Panacur is a dog dewormer, and it kills hydroids. Also panacur any snails (if you INSIST on adding them...) because they could have hydroids on their shells. Some species of snails will die in panacur, so you'll just have to leave them out of your dwarf tank. Also give any new additions (including macro) to your tank a fw or formalin dip to rid it of any potential parasites.

Don't use live sand. It has the potential for bristleworms, and a lot of other nasties. I use black sand, because it makes the dwarfs color really pop.

If possible, always go with captive bred. CB is so much better than WC. I have WC, but I know the potential dangers and risks that I take by doing so. Some people may not. There are currently no known sources of CB dsh. There are sources that have them, but not in stock atm.

Temperature for a dsh tank should be below 74*F. I keep mine at 72*F. Higher temps provide a place for bacteria to prosper, which can lead to quick infections of the tail, and vibrio...

Phew...I think I should be the moderator of the seahorse forum...

Have any questions, i'll gladly answer them. I know i'm leaving stuff out...

I'll think of it sooner or later.

Brock

Brock Fluharty
07-01-2007, 07:02 PM
No replies?

coral_diver
07-07-2007, 01:03 PM
Good luck with the dwarfs Brock! They are alot of fun to keep! They breed like rabbits! When I started to keep them myself I would freak out everytime one went into labor, it looks like bad convulsions LOL! I would hurry and start water tests grabbing water and salt ready to mix and then find a sigh of relief when I saw that first baby be booted out of the pouch littlerally. They are so fun! Update us with some pics soon. You may find that you are going to have an awfully small group for 5.5 though I would think about bumping that up to keep feeding easier and cleaner! Think like a dozen or dozen and a half.

Doctor_Reef
07-07-2007, 04:38 PM
Nice info Brock....You too Desiree!!!! Interesting stuff....I have always wanted a horse tank....May have to reconsider and start one!!! ;)

coral_diver
07-07-2007, 05:17 PM
Seahorse tanks are great, alot of fun in my oppinion. The only thing I suggest to people wanting to start one is to really do the research. They are more delicate than we think...some are easier than others and some people get lucky with keeping the tough ones (like I did) initally. Either way I highly suggest having them but I do suggest captive bred (CB) horses in contrast to wild caught (WC) for hardiness and health.

Brock Fluharty
07-07-2007, 07:10 PM
If you havent already (not to promote other boards...but) join www.seahorse.org obviously.

coral_diver
07-11-2007, 11:34 PM
Brock I think that is a little un-necessary! I would personally recomend another SH board before that one anyday! Obviously! you don't know it all and I am not saying I do either but I asked for this area of this forum and if you don't appreciate that it is here don't come to this section. You are not obligated. Honestly I am a little mad now...from what I know of you, you have managed to kill off your seahorses and you come here and say the info I give is wrong or outdated and so on and tell people to go elsewhere! What the *********** is wrong with you Ohh asterik's are the only thing saving my language here! DO MORE RESEARCH! Other that your single message board! none of those people are biologists...I happen to be a former and not all that long out of the business and I am a sucessful keeper UGHHHHHHHHHHH! I am about to stop coming here because you bother me sooo much. Promoting other boards is misplaced and you have no business doing that. If you want to PM someone fine otherwise stay at your Org board....

Gottcha
07-12-2007, 12:26 AM
Please keep this civil ... difference of opinion is a good thing ....arguing about it on a forum is not.

specsgirl
07-12-2007, 02:08 AM
Please keep this civil ... difference of opinion is a good thing ....arguing about it on a forum is not.

I agree...please figure out a way to get along..every thread on CF about ponies lately has turned into a soapopera that I would expect other boards to have...lets not make this forum the same!

Brock Fluharty
07-12-2007, 05:49 PM
I was simply stating that www.seahorse.org is a valuable source of information.

To personally attack my seahorse keeping skills is unnecessary...ridiculous...

coral_diver
07-12-2007, 09:53 PM
Yeah Gottcha and Spec's I am doing my best it is very aggrivating having someone that thinks one "online forum source" of info is god. As far as me attacking your skills Brock I think you may want to re-read your posts as far as what you have said about me...Honestly I don't know why the seahorse section should even remain anymore if people are going to tell people to go elsewhere.....whatever, I am just very disapointed!

seaponiee
07-31-2007, 11:51 PM
nice post on dwafs! I had dwarfs a couple of years ago....I found that I personallly couldn't keep up with the brine shrimp hatching. I did have them for awhile and they were so cute! I even had some proud papas! I decided for myself, I needed to go to the bigger horses that I could feed frozen shrimp. Maybe someday I will try the little guys again

Brock Fluharty
08-01-2007, 11:26 PM
Yes, they are very demanding, and it is tough to hatch brine shrimp constantly.

The larger horses are much easier to care for.

coral_diver
08-03-2007, 01:10 AM
Humm I am a very busy person and I never did find the brine hatching to be a pain but then that's just me. Of course there are supplements you can gut load with these days too to keep a batch good for a few days instead of using the NHBBS every day. I used to talk to someone who actually had dwarfs eating mysids! YIKES! I couldn't believe they could even get those down. Anyway different horses are definatly suited for different people. They are great! I am really torn between my reef tank and my stable :)

Brock Fluharty
08-03-2007, 12:25 PM
Mysids? WOW...maybe baby mysids?

Yeah, the bbs was probably more of a pain for me because i'm young, and don't like getting up early...lol.

But on a sad note...all but one of my dwarfs died...

A bunch of us on another forum ordered dwarfs from one person, and all of our dwarfs are dying. One man lost 20 dwarfs right after he got them. We are suspecting some sort of contamination of his tanks, like if he sprayed for bugs or something.

The article I wrote still has correct information, so don't think that because mine died that info is wrong.

I think i'll get a pair of erectus for my cycling 20 gallon. I'll have erectus and ricordea florida. I'll post pics when it's all set up.

coral_diver
08-07-2007, 09:36 PM
Gosh I am sorry to hear of your loss! That's a real shame. Were they WC or CB? Brock I would be happy to send you some dwarfs here in a few months if you are wanting to try them again my babies are really building up and I have a real nice selection of colors, yellows, greens, greyish, browns, white, and some with nice stripes. I have a bunch of babies that are working on getting "big" lol quick but I don't like to ship them when the weather is this hot nor when they are still so little. I understand that for some hatching brine can be hard but if you purchase algamac 3050 flakes and Dha protein selco from DanU you can grind it up with one of the hand mixers (he even sells those) and then you can use the bbs for about 3days or 4days max when you enrich them with either of those I rotate back and fourth. I feed once a day during the week and twice a day on the weekend. I have had my babies for quite a while now...they are healthy and pop out babies just about bi-weekly sometimes it seems more often but I think I just lose track of which males are preg. at a time since they always seem to have a broad going. Anyway feel free to let me know I'd only charge you shipping. I'd suggest no larger than a 5gallon though otherwise feeding really gets messy quick. I really hate to see people keeping them in those cup like beta houses with the light and filter that's just to small IMPO. I have a huge group going so I keep them in a 9gallon and I have my feedings measured pretty well these days :) But I wouldn't recommend it for someone keeping them for the first time...anyhow I have to get studying there are just 2 old pics of my 1st generation dwarfs I still have them :) look close and see how many you can see in each pic they are all so different in color but my yellows are some of my faves...

coral_diver
08-07-2007, 09:38 PM
Ohh sorry I forgot the mysids I think were PE if I remember not Hakari (sp?) or any of that tiny junk food, ask around at your hang out they'll know who it was most likely I forget who the heck it was...? It was a lady and her dwarfs were the biggest healthiest I had ever seen!

Brock Fluharty
08-08-2007, 12:15 AM
That is a very generous offer, but I think i'm going to get a pair of erectus instead. Dwarfs are too tiring for me, however cute they are...

Thanks so much for the offer though!

SH.org is looking for a supply for CB dwarfs. You should consider selling them.

Brock Fluharty
08-08-2007, 12:15 AM
I mean selling any extras you have when you seem crowded, lol, not all of them.

coral_diver
08-12-2007, 09:43 AM
I do sell them locally sometimes. I am real funny about selling them though I tell my local stores, good ones that is, when I have some available and what I want for them and they will either take names or call me when they have an interested party. Then I hand deliver them :) I am such a untrusting momma to send them off to the store and expect them to keep up with them properly. I always give a care sheet that I spent alot of time on as well and make sure there are no questions and I have cards made up where they can call me later if they do think of something. I am a real careful person when it comes to SH's I don't just toss them over it's a whole process. That's what makes me different from the commercial breeders, I don't do it for profit they are just prolific. Good luck with the erectus they are beautiful horses also. I loved my first one Marine I called her, cant wait to see some pics when you get them!