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coral_diver
01-07-2007, 02:26 PM
I am going to list most if not all I know about seahorses to try to get some of most needed information out of the way so everyone has a reference. I will let everyone know I have kept most all species of seahorses with the exception of the cold water Australian Knights aka Potbellies. Although they are going to be a part of my collection soon. I have been keeping and breeding seahorses for about 10years now and have read what I believe to be every seahorse book/reference available. I do not consider myself to be a perfect authority but there are my credentials :)

Lets start with the type of seahorse you desire to keep:
There are many types of seahorses:
Tropical Species
Kuda
Barbouri
Zosterae
Erectus
Reidi
Fuscus
Procerus
Comes
Safely a pair of each of these could be kept in a 8-15gallon aquarium (recommended aproximatly 8gallons to a pair of seahorses of this variety with exception to the dwarf zosterae). Zosterae could have 1 pair to every 2gallons so in a 5gallon you could safely house 2-3 pair.
Tropical seahorses should be maintained at a temperature of 74-78 degrees F.

Subtropical Species
Whitei
Ingens
Tuberculatus
Safely a pair of each of these species could be kept in a 15gallon aquarium except the Ingens which requires at least a 45gallon aquarium (again aproximatly 8gallons per pair of horses with exception to the Ingens which should have 13gallons per pair).
Subtropical seahorses should be maintained at a temperature of 70-74 degrees F.

Temperate Species - kept at 66-72 degrees F (19-22 degrees C)
Abdominalis, 1pair/13 gallons (50 liters)- minimum size 60 gallons (240 liters)
Capensis 1 pair/5 gallons (20 liters)- minimum size 10 gallons (40 liters)
Breviceps, 1 pair/5 gallons (20 liters)-
Safely a pair of each of these species could be housed in a 10gallon aquarium with exception to the Abdominalis which should have a 60gallon aquarium(aproximatly 1 pair to 6gallons with exception of course to the Avdominalis which should be 1pair to aproximatly 13gallons).
Temperate Species should be maintained at a temperature of 66-72 degrees F so a chiller is necessary for these species.

Wild Caught (WC) or Captive Breed (CB)?
This can be a hard decision when in many area's only WC are available. However although I neither advocate against or for one specifically. I do suggest CB when available. CB can be a bit more costly but they also can be more resistant to disease and hardier in the aquarium. Also, CB do not strip our oceans of this wonderful animal. For those that are unaware many species of seahorse have become endangered or protected in the wild although captive breeding has allowed us to keep them in the home aquarium still. Just a note if you are in a aquarium store and the owner or sales person assisting you is not sure if the seahorses are captive breed the most likely are not. Even if they tell you they are captive breed there is of course a chance that they are not. Look for a reputable source for your horses even if it happens to mean you have to have them shipped to you and pay quite a bit more I promise it is well worth it.

Now if looking in person here are the things you want to look for to make sure the seahorses are healthy:
1. Do they look skinny with a belly that is pinched looking or is it full?
2. Is the seahorse eating? Ask to see them eat and if not eating pass on the buy!
3. Are they hitched or grabbing onto something or are they laying in the sand dragging without hitching to anything ever? If they are not willing to hitch to something it could mean they are to weak or ailing from some illness. I'd pass on them too.
4. Is there active eye movement? If not this could be a bad sign too. Pass
5. Is the body of the seahorse free of sores? or is it missing chunks anywhere? If so again Pass
6. Is the seahorse gasping for air, now keep in mind they have what appears to be a fast movement of their "mouth" if you will but look at the "gill" area if that is a nice smooth calm respiration things are fine if not it could be a sign that something is wrong.
These are a few of the things I look for when purchasing a seahorse. If you are unsure you could ask a shop owner to hold them for you so that you could observe them for a few days or if you question the health all together and you are just not sure Pass. Most of this is common sense. If their are other seahorses in the tank that appear to be ill I suggest against purchasing other tankmates as their is a strong chance that the tankmate seahorses that appear to be healthy are likely carriers of whatever it is the ill seahorse is carrying. It is better to air on the safe side when it comes to seahorses.

Of course everyone suggest that you quarintine your seahorses. I personally will leave this up to you. It is safer but I understand that many of us dont have the space or extra money to set up a simple QT. Remember that if you do not QT that it is at not only your risk but your seahorses. Please do note that using a fish net on a seahorse is not recommended as it can damage the plates of the seahorse. Instead using a cup or hand transfer is best.
If you do decide to QT your seahorses here is what is necessary. If you purchased a WC the first thing that should be done is either a freshwater dip (RO/DI adjusted for temp and PH for 3-5min) or a formalin bath. If the seahorse shows any signs of distress such as lying on the bottom or violent thrashing etc use common sense here, immediatly remove the seahorse! Keep in a QT for 2-4 weeks then it is safe to add to either your new setup or existing setup. Acclimation should be easy if you have matched the parameters of the QT to the main tank. Please note if you receive a pregnant seahorse do not freshwater dip or formalin bathe!

My be careful rules:
You can make your choice on substrate sand, barebottom, or crushed coral. Although I prefer sand to see the occasional drawings they leave with their tails :) There is much controversy as to what substrates are safe and if a seahorse will snick (suck) up a peice of sand or rock and choke. I will say if it does happen it is rare and not really a worry of mine. If you use sand please dont take it from your reef. There may be bristleworms in the sand that could potentialy hurt your seahorses. If you end up using live rock and notice a bristleworm try to remove it. You can add a culture of pods to a tank but keep in mind they are a great treat to your seahorses and they will most likely pick the area clean of the pods before you blink LOL. Let's talk heater's. If it is accessable, in other words your seahorses can get to it you need to put a heater guard on it as they can get burned even though it feels cool to us. Filters...most of us will use some sort of filter and any intake will need to be covered with a sponge cover so that the seahorses do not either get sucked up into it or a tail may get caught in it etc. You get the idea. You need to make sure that you have good O2 concentration in your aquarium wether that means you use a airstone, powerhead, or if a filter running breaking the surface happens to be enough. If you go the airstone route make sure that the bubbles are large and not so micro as that can cause the seahorses to take on the air or get it trapped in a pouch. As for the powerheads and filters remember seahorses are not good swimmers so keep the flow low and where the seahorses can decide how much of it they prefer to be in. Allow them some sancturary away from the flow.

Food:
This is something I run into all the time. People think that feeding frozen brine shrimp is a sufficient diet. It is not. Now where do we go from there? Live brine that has been enriched for 24-48hrs is ok. Frozen or live mysids are a favorite of most any seahorse although not suitable for dwarfs. You could feed live ghost shrimp that have been gutloaded or even hawaiian red shrimp are very nutritious. If they find some pods around the tank they are likely to snick them up in a heart beat but will deplete the population in no time. Honestly that is the staple for them. They dont eat algea sheets or flake or any of the like. If you happen to have babies then you will need to hatch baby brine shrimp daily to feed.

Parameters:
You will need to keep stable parameters in your tank so remember the larger the tank the easier although a large tank is not suitable for dwarf seahorses unless a very large number is housed, they need heavy feeding and it could cause water quality to go sour quickly if most of the food is not eaten. Aside from that please use the following as a guide:
PH-8.0-8.3
Temperature is dependant on species kept see above.
Ammonia-0
Nitrate-below 20ppm
Nitrite-0
Specific Gravity-1.021-1.025

Tank Size:
Tank size should be 2.5-3 times the height of the seahorse with tail uncurled. Keep in mind what the size potential of the species will be when fully grown. In my oppinion it is a good idea to house seahorses in a tank that they can grow into. Some seahorses get quite large. The width of the tank is just as important. Although seahorses are not the best swimmers they do enjoy swimming about back and fourth just as much as up and down. I enjoy what I call the serpent dance or the little submarine dance. They do it quite often and especially when it is feeding time and you are late. If you keep seahorses you know what I am talking about and if you dont keep them but someday do you'll remember that comment :) Do keep in mind if this is your first attempt at seahorses that the larger the tank is the easier it is to keep the needed water parameters. Although on that note dwarf seahorse tanks are a little different and I will add a seperate post for them all together.
Of course this tank must be cycled. There are many options to do this, time and patience or the ammonia method that is of one of the newer methods considered safe and can be used in your seahorse tank as well as a reef. I will make a seperate thred to give instructions on this.

Controlling Hydroids:
You first need to decapsulate any brine shrimp cysts you hatch. This can be done by using 1/4 cup of un-scented chlorine bleach to 2-4TBSP of cysts added to a 1 liter bottle filled with RO/DI. Use a airline to keep things moving and when the cysts turn from brown to white to orange they are ready to be strained threw a brine shrimp net and use a product to declorinate or rinse till there is no scent of bleach. You can store these in the refrigerator for 1-2weeks in a salt solution made as follows. Dilute as much table salt in water as you can until it no longer mixes in. That is your solution put the brine cysts in. Store in refrigerator preferably in a container with a lid :)
Next if you are planning on using live rock it is suggested that you treat it with Pancur. You can purchase the online many places or I am sure your local vet would be willing to help you out.
If you get hydroids anyway which is very possible you can treat with Pancur which can be easily found online and yes it is a dog dewormer. If using the liquid treat the tank with Pancur 10% solution. Use 0.1-0.2cc(ml) for every 10gallons of water every other day for a total of three treatments then make sure you do a large waterchange. Note Pancur will kill bristleworms and inverts and it is reported that Pancur has lingering effects for quite some time so dont expect to be able to plop them right back in anytime soon. If you are going to dose non liquid Pancur you will use 1/32 of a TSP per 10 gallons then remember a large water change recommended within 6hrs of treatment as supposidly hydroids release their own toxin?! Some people have been gutloading their brine with Pancur and believe that it might save our inverts? Time will tell this is still fairly new.
You only other choices I can suggest would be Keyhole Limpets that are known hydroid eaters. I am personally planning to start collecting these for seahorse hobbiests let me know if you are in the market. A species doto naudibranch which I find impossible to get these days but if you find a source let me know :) is also a hydroid eater.

Lighting:
Well let's keep this simple seahorses dont care :) They do however prefer subdued lighting vs say metal halide. I would recommend anything from white lunar/moon lights used as lighting to PC lighting.

I am not sure what else I may have missed here if there is more I will surely add it and if need be feel free to send me a PM anytime! I hope more of you will feel more comfortable someday if not sometime soon give these fantastic creatures a try and a loving home! They come highly recommended in my book! Good luck with the stables!

Doctor_Reef
01-07-2007, 04:00 PM
Very good post!!! Great information coral diver!!! :fing02:

jasno999
01-07-2007, 04:58 PM
Awsome Good info

Crosis
01-07-2007, 05:35 PM
Thanks for all the Info, So much I didn't know...

tdevil
01-07-2007, 05:35 PM
very nice post/thread, indeed ;)

Jay

Brock Fluharty
06-29-2007, 12:40 AM
Nice post. Everything seems accurate except for the tank size and temperatures.

I know that I am pretty much contradicting everything you say, but it's nothing personal.

Ok, i'll start with tank size.

Kuda, barbouri, erectus, reidi and comes will all need at least a 30 gallon for a pair, MAYBE two. Not only for water quality, but also for swimming room. Yeah, I know, they don't swim a whole lot, but mine have always gotten around.

Now for temperature. If anybody followed those guidelines...their horses are probably dead. NO seahorse should be kept higher than 74*F. Raising the temperature higher than 74*F for long periods of time is just welcoming vibrio to flourish in your tanks, and kill your horses. Trust me, i've experienced it first hand.

Now, i've only kept 2 species (H. zosterae, and H. capensis) but there is NO WAY that a pair of capensis could live in a 5 gallon. My male got to be about 6 inches total length. I had to move my capensis to a 40 gallon tank. You say that you've kept most species, which i find hard to believe. Could you please list them?

I kept my H. capensis in a 40 gallon tank at 66-67*F, and my male developed vibrio, a tail infection, and died because that temperature was too high for him. To make matters worse, he was pregnant, and he lost his brood. Now, don't think that i'm making all of this up. You can go dig up my thread if you like on SH.org. About half of the members were helping me out. One member actually sent me a chiller, because he knew that the temperature was too high.

In the wild the seahorses can tolerate higher temperatures, because they are not exposed to vibrio so closely as in our systems.

Also, you can keep about 10 pairs of dwarf seahorses in a 5 gallon.

coral_diver
07-07-2007, 05:58 PM
Sorry about that Brock I haven't been hanging around the threds lately and just saw your reply...

First I think you may have misread my temps? Capensis are temperate ie coldwater seahorses like my abdominalis and they should not go above 72. That is correct however what you have said if I have read it correctly is that you are trying to say that all species of seahorses should not be kept in temperatures higher than 74?! That is extremely incorrect! Our tropicals should never be kept lower than 74. If you keep the tropicals at 74 you leave no room for a couple of degrees flux say if you have the a/c on and all of a sudden your heater goes...trust me I have seen it happen. Loss of power here in the south alone with tropicals can be an issue if you were holding at 74 because in about an hour that temp can really spike up there. Really same with my abdominalis since they use a chiller I keep them a little cooler than the top range because if we would lose power I may have a bit more time to get ahold of some ice to keep temps closer to where they should be.

As far as what I have kept...yes I have kept many...here's your list:Kuda
Barbouri,Comes,Zosterae,Erectus,Reidi,Ingens,White i,Abdominalis,Capensis, and Breviceps. There are a few I have not kept but mostly either because I think they aren't as cute (shh don't tell anyone) or because they are just rediculously hard to get ahold of. I have pics of all of them from when I did keep them. It really dosen't matter to me if you believe me or not...all I am keeping at the moment/currently though is the Abdominalis and Zosterae. Soon I will have some WC Erectus from our lagoon from one of the local fisherman that gets them in his net all the time. I am not pro WC or CB so no discussion here about that please I do advocate the CB but well lets not get into that...
As far as tank size, the minimum sizes of tanks does not infer that it is a perm. home for them it is a size that has been published as acceptable depending on the size of the horse...if you read further you will see that I have said 2.5 to 3 times the size of the horse with tail uncurled is what should be kept but to use the sizes above as a reference. As far as the zosterae I agree that you can keep more than 2-3pair in a 5gallon and do recommend it however you have to realize that most people if sucessful and well... they should be if they have kept prior horses which they should have before keeping the zosterae anyway, anyway as I was saying they zosterae are very prolific :) they pop babies out often and broad size is about 7-13ish give or take but that had been my and most others average. So that 5gallon becomes crowded fairly quickly. If you have somewhere for the babies to go then I recommend more than 2-3 pairs as it helps with feeding nhbbs and lessening the need to remove them as they should all be eaten in each feed. I guess perhaps I could have been more clear on a few things, this really was typed up fairly quickly just to give us a start. On the Vibro...ok that is just a nuts comment you made that all horses are suseptiable to vibro that is soooo not true it is common only in some horses and you have to have an infected horse come in contact with what was a healthy horse or put a healthy horse into a tank that was contaminated to transmit it...I'm not going there...and actually I was one of those people on you SH.org thred. No need to look it up...I left that forum for many reasons...I hate to say it. There are some knowledgable people there but there is also alot of bad info there too. Not to mention that people are starting to get nasty and mean there so I had enough there and asked for us to have a area here on CF. I have studied SH in college so I have a pretty good knowledge of their ailments, as well I have a step sister that is in the oceanography area also. I am no longer in that line of work, nor am I in nursing any longer, believe it or not I am in college again to work in aviation so I am not one to throw credentials and knowledge around unless I can back it up. It's nothing personal against you either and I welcome any experiences and disagreement. There is a guy keeping sh's in a 90 degree tank with all kinds of corals, fish, and crap he shouldn't but he is doing it sucessfully and I can say the horses are happy and healthy...many would disagree with me there but then that just goes back to the arguments here and there in these hobbies....brava that you did everything for your cap's they are beautiful horses! So sorry you lost them. Perhaps another go at them in the future? I love my Australian Knights aka potbellied seahorses aka Abdominalis :) I would love to add some cap's in with them but the cap's are so much smaller and I don't particularly recomend mixing species besides but gosh it has always been tempting. Good luck with the zo's they are great fun.

Brock Fluharty
07-07-2007, 07:09 PM
My post about temps is correct.

Sorry, but I am positive they are correct.

I believe you about you keeping those seahorses. Very impressive list. What happened to them all?

The reason the temps are recommended to be that low is because bacteria, such as vibrio, FLOURISHES at higher temperatures.

Trust me...my temperatures are correct. I'll try to get someone to back me up here, but they are correct.

gman0526
07-09-2007, 10:20 PM
Guys we've been through this before. We need to understand that there's not a single way of doing anything in this hobby.

But to play Devil's advocate, how about some scientific references? I'm sure a quick Google search would provide some good info. Then we can discuss from that ;)

specsgirl
07-09-2007, 11:37 PM
I too disagree about keeping your ponies no higher than 72 degrees. Many of those on seahorse.org would disagree as well. Here is a post that I have taken directly from their FAQ section.


What temperature should I keep my aquarium at for my seahorses? http://www.seahorse.org/images/spacer.gifSeahorses are found in many oceans of the world. Seahorses can roughly be divided into three groups according to optimal temperatures; temperate, subtropical and tropical. Most beginning keepers start with tropical species because it is easier and much cheaper to heat a tank than it is to cool it.
Tropical species should generally be kept at temperatures between 74-78 degrees F (24-26 degrees C).
The hardiest tropical species is H. erectus (perhaps the most tolerant of wide temperature ranges). This species, when captive bred (CB) is the ideal "starter seahorse" and beautiful in its own right. Other tropical species which may be available CB include H. reidi, H. barbouri, H. procerus, H. fuscus and H. kuda. Availability varies by location. Dwarf seahorses (H. zosterae) are very hardy and also can withstand wide ranging temperatures. They do have different requirements than the larger species, and their needs should be separately researched in the Dwarf forum and Library.
Subtropical species should generally be kept at 70-74 degrees F (22-25 degrees C). You may need to purchase a chiller to maintain stable tank temperatures if you do not have a strictly temperature controlled room for your tank.
Subtropical species include H. ingens, H. whitei, H. capensis and H. tuberculatus. Temperate species should be kept at 66-72 degrees F (19-22 degrees C). You will almost certainly need to purchase a chiller to keep these species. Temperate species include H. abdominalis (potbellies) and H. breviceps

Brock Fluharty
07-10-2007, 02:20 PM
Specsgirl,

Have you seen the last time that was revised? I believe it's 2003.

I'm sure that many people would disagree, but the majority of us over there recommend no higher than 74*F because at higher temps than that, vibrio will take hold of the seahorses.

Gman,

I agree that there is more than one way to do things, but for the most part, that recommendation is recommended just to be on the safe side.

Last year I lost my male H. capensis to vibrio because the tank temperature was at 66*F. I was then informed by seahorse.org members that I needed to lower it to around 62*F.

Brock Fluharty
07-10-2007, 02:24 PM
From Ocean Rider...

"Heat stress is especially debilitating and dangerous for seahorses due to a number of reasons (Olin Feuerbacher, pers. com.). For one thing, elevated temperatures can have a very detrimental effect on the immune system of fishes. This is because many of the enzymes and proteins involved in their immune response are extremely temperature sensitive (Olin Feuerbacher, pers. com.). Some of these protective enzymes can be denatured and inactivated by an increase of just a few degrees in water temperature (Olin Feuerbacher, pers. com.). So when seahorses are kept at temperatures above their comfort zone, their immune system is compromised and they are unable to fend off diseases they would normally shrug off.

At the same time heat stress is weakening the seahorse's immune response, the elevated temperatures are increasing the growth rate of microbes and making disease organisms all the more deadly. Research indicates that temperature plays a major role in the regulation of virulence genes (Olin Feuerbacher, pers. com.). As the temperature increases, virulence genes are switched on, so microorganisms that are completely harmless at cooler temperatures suddenly become pathogenic once the water warms up past a certain point. Thus both the population and virulence of the pathogens are dramatically increased at higher temperatures (Olin Feuerbacher, pers. com.).

This is true of Columnaris and certain types of Vibrio. At cool temperatures these bacteria are relatively harmless, but at elevated temperatures they become highly contagious, virulent pathogens that kill quickly.

In short, it's doubly important to keep seahorses at the proper temperature. Because of the reasons mentioned above and the fact that water holds less and less dissolved oxygen as it warms up, seahorses generally tolerate temps at the lower end of their preferred range much better than they handle temperatures at the upper limit of their range."

Brock Fluharty
07-10-2007, 02:36 PM
Quoting a moderator at seahorse.org...

"as the owner of four plug n play systems (nanocubes as well as aquapods), i can tell you that you ARE going to need a chiller for SH of any kind. these systems inherently run right at around 80*F all on their own, and that's a good 6* hotter than what's considered the max. temp for tropical SH species. we've found that at warmer temps, the bacterial count in a system increases dramatically, and unfortunately, SH are very susceptible to bacterial infections."

specsgirl
07-10-2007, 03:53 PM
Brock you have a point-

However it is important to remember that there are different "classes" of horses in which they do better at different temps.

coral_diver
07-11-2007, 11:09 PM
Brock...I only have time for a quick reply but the reason it is recommended that all SH keepers use a chiller is the same reason that we use heaters....well for opposite purposes though...obviously. SH need a really stable (hehe...sorry) tank. Temperature is a huge factor I agree but what happens to your tropicals when you lower their temp, lower than what they are indiginous to you supress their immune systems. It's kind of the same as the reason you get sick when you are exposed to weather that is colder than say what you are comfortable at. Your immune system slows or is inhibited and you allow opportunistic bacteria/germs etc into your system. The thing with keeping the water colder is not that bacteria is not present it is that colder water slows the infections/bacteria (if you will) down. It still exists, it just allows slacker keepers a little more time to correct mistreatment or I guess to be PC...mistakes. Alot of SH keepers and I hate to say this but they tend to have been enthrawled by the idea of keeping SH's bring them home either to a new or established tank with no info, with that having been said many of them do not do clean up in the tank after every feeding. When you feed dead foods and allow it to sit in the tank it allows bacteria a place to grow and start to become rampid. Honestly I dont mean to berate you but you may have been sucked into the keeping of SH for the same reason yet I could be wrong the only reason I feel this way is you should not have had the capensis without a chiller period ever...I know mistakes are made and I'm not trying to give you a hard time I know it happens to the best of us and I am sorry for your loss. IMHO I feel 62 is a bit cold I know that my Potbellies will not tollerate under 64-65ish they go crazy, I actually lost my first ones because I was trying to keep them at the bottom of recomendations however let me say this the group in Australia that breeds my babies will recommend as well as my distributor to keep them about 65-66F so....as far as old info...it's not I got it from the breeders mouth, books, online sources, research etc. if I get some time here soon I'll see if I can dig it up and post it up. Some of it is in boxes in Ohio so I don't have access to it being here in FL but I'll see what I have around. Ohh on the Vibro...it is a contagous thing though like I said it dosen't come from anywhere but an infected SH...are you sure you didn't lose your cap's to uronema? It is very common yet slow in our cold waters and if you were feeding PE mysids and not doing the recomended formalin treatment monthly as recomended for uronema because frozen food stuffs contribute and carry it then it could have very well been that and not vibro. Vibro is not all that common in coldwaters...just a thought. Ok I have to get going tonight. I really do enjoy talking SH's with you please everyone dont think I am trying to fight with Brock we are just discussing which is what the board is here for....to share experiences, knowledge, and anything else....ie Gman dont get touchy :) no need...Brock by the way have you picked up the book on dwarfs...I have to find mine to tell you who it's by if you haven't yet, there is some interesting info in there although be careful with some of the info it's sketchy but it's a good guide if you've never kept them. All my SH's I had to give up because of the move from Ohio to here in FL about 2? years ago now I think. I did try to bring some erectus fry with me and well I don't want to go into it to much but I goofed and dropped something in their water during the waterchange at the hotel on the way down and lost them all. It was interesting anyway because they were not hitching yet so it really was a crap shoot as to if they would make it down or not, picture multiple buckets in my car running spare air with my tanks in the back and carrying the buckets up to a second level hotel for a waterchange yeah it was a trip for sure...well do keep me up with your experience with the dwarfs! They are really cool. I do still keep the zo's and potbellies :) the largest and the smallest well smallest available :) would love to get my hands on the new one discovered about what a year ago or so....the name escapes me at the moment...ok gotta go talk to you all soon

Brock Fluharty
07-12-2007, 06:00 PM
Specsgirl,

The quote from the seahorse.org moderator said that 74*F was the max for tropical seahorses. Not temperate, or coldwater. Tropical.

specsgirl
07-13-2007, 01:24 AM
Brock-

I'm not going to argue with you as obviously you have your opinion and I have mine. I have kept seahorses at 74-78 temps long term with absolutely no problems. I know of others that have as well.

If you look at my post again it says that in the quote from seahorse.org that

tropicals are from 74-78
subtropicals from 72-74

Here is a link to the article on reefkeeping.com written by Henry Schultz. It also backs up my temperatures.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-11/hcs3/index.php
subtropicals are from 72-74.

I can throw articles at you all day long written by very knowledgable people in the reef industry. But I refuse to argue with you on this issue so from here on out...I'm done.

Brock Fluharty
07-13-2007, 12:09 PM
No, no, don't get me wrong. I know that some people can keep them at those temperatures, because some people keep them in reef tanks.

But for beginners, we recommend the lower temperatures, to help stunt any bacterial infections, and just make life easier. Again, that seahorse.org article is 4 years out of date.

Nothing wrong with arguing in a civil manner :)

coral_diver
07-16-2007, 01:58 PM
what SH.org article? Brock I took the time to type that info real quick to get people started...you may be refering to "we" as you and the forum you frequent but I do not recomend all SH's be kept at those low temps. They are not indiginous to those temps and you screw up their normal bodily functions eg. metabolism and respiration...perhaps you might think your life is easier but you would be torturing an animal of any kind in putting them into a less than "normal" environment.

Brock Fluharty
07-16-2007, 09:36 PM
Putting an animal a few degrees lower than natural habitat parameters to slow bacterial infections isn't torture.

Veronica
12-18-2007, 02:24 PM
Wow, so much information! It's what I've been looking for. All squabbling aside, I want to thank you for helping me in my research RE: keeping dwarves. I am particularly interested in the possibility of a supplemental food source in addition to newly hatched brine shrimp. Also, a side question: Are the keyhole limpets (sp?) safe to add to a dwarf tank to keep hydroids at bay? I enjoy the fact that despite differences and preferences, you all seem to have a lot of valuable experience which I can benefit from. Thanks!

specsgirl
12-19-2007, 08:58 AM
Veronica-

It's great that you were able to read through all of the sometimes negative posts. It's important to remember that there is no two ways to do things. Everyone has their own opinions of which is right and which will work...sometimes people feel very strongly that their way is the correct one...hence the squabbling..lol

Gather as much information as you can and then devise a plan from that information that will work for you....good luck and please let us know if you have any questions!