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hlama
05-11-2005, 06:29 AM
hi everyone. my friend brought me over a salad of macro algae. ID most of it.
caulerpa sertuariodes and racemosa. they are too mixed to seperate.the sertuariodes just small strains inter twined. dont think it will have an effect.
red gracilaria tikvanhiae/ or chondria sp. not sure
halimeda discoidea or tuna ,think its tuna
can anyone help me tell the diff. mainly with the chondra sp and gracilaria tikvanhiae and does this seem like a good mix for my sump or do these guys compete for the same nutrients.

Sugar Magnolia
05-11-2005, 09:14 AM
This link has lots of diferent macroalgeas identified in it. Scroll through and see if you can match yours. http://www.coralforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2404&start=0

Here's another link if you can't find it in the the abooe link. http://www.saltcorner.com/sections/guest/algaepage/algaepage.htm

hlama
05-11-2005, 01:25 PM
This link has lots of diferent macroalgeas identified in it. Scroll through and see if you can match yours. http://www.coralforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2404&start=0

Here's another link if you can't find it in the the abooe link. http://www.saltcorner.com/sections/guest/algaepage/algaepage.htm

nice ID sites thanks that did help. i am pretty sure i have red gracilaria tikvanhiae, halimeda tuna, and caulerpa racemosa. i heard it is not good to have more that one species because they use their energy to fight whoch means they are not absorbing like they should and growth rate fail. thus so does there effectiveness. is this ture should i remove everything except say the red gracilaria tikvanhiae.

pilotrob
05-11-2005, 04:40 PM
hmm interesting. ive got grape caulerpa in my main tank and ive got red gracilaria in a hang on refugium (filter). ive never heard that more than one is detrimental i guess, but if thats the case the caulerpa is outta here!

hlama
05-11-2005, 05:34 PM
hmm interesting. ive got grape caulerpa in my main tank and ive got red gracilaria in a hang on refugium (filter). ive never heard that more than one is detrimental i guess, but if thats the case the caulerpa is outta here!

here is a web page with lots of good info on ithttp://www.wetwebmedia.com/maralgfaq3.htm
this is some of the things they talk about. lots of info on this

Macroalgae warfare 10/05/03
Hi Crew! I am discovering for myself the major downside of grape Caulerpa,
<indeed... it has been documented to be perhaps the most noxious of an already very noxious genus of algae>
which doesn't seem to be the threat of going sexual, especially since I pull out from my 'fuge a cup or so every few days.
<correct... the threat of "going vegetative" is easily skirted by interrupting the 3-6 month life cycle by regular thinning>
It's a weed! Some other algae species seem to survive (such as feather Caulerpa and sawgrass) but not thrive. My Gracillaria (Ogo) didn't make it and my C. racemosa also couldn't compete. The Chaetomorpha ball hasn't grown in over two months! but I guess it's doing the job of removing nutrients, don't you think?
<ahhh... not growing but exporting nutrients? How do you figure? Sounds to me like you've made the mistake of mixing algae that too many folks do. They are very (chemically) competitive with each other. Energies used in warfare could instead be used for good vigor/growth. Please have the discipline to use only one algae species proper in your vegetable filter/refugium. Anthony>

here is another one

I am in the process of adding a 20g refugium to this aquarium so I am hopeful this will help to reduce the diatom problem as well provide ‘pods for a mandarin and food for tangs.
<A refugium will definitely help process organics to reduce some nuisance algae>
I have read that mangrove is one of the most efficient consumers of nitrates and I have read that Caulerpa is the best consumer of nitrates/phosphates.
<Well, in my opinion, and the opinion of many others- mangroves simply grow too slowly to be considered an efficient nutrient export mechanism. Caulerpa is a great consumer of nutrients, but has some potential drawbacks to its use in some cases, such as a propensity to crash and release its gametes and adsorbed nutrients back into the system. Look for the macroalgae Chaetomorpha, which is every bit as prolific as Caulerpa, without any of the "dark side"! Or- you could try propagating Gracilaria parvispora, a great and useful algae!>
Which do you recommend growing in a refugium (or do you recommend both)?
<Chaetomorpha or Gracilaria, baby!>
Of the various types of Caulerpa, what type is the best at NNR and phosphate reduction – without releasing toxins or being overly-invasive?
<Other hobbyists may disagree- But I feel that none of them are without this potential problem!>
Since I have many tangs, I was planning to grow IPSF’s “Tang Heaven” in the refugium as well but I see they offer three
types (red, yellow, gold and green). Which type would be most attractive /beneficial to tangs and how would “Tang Heaven” compare to Caulerpa or mangrove for NNR or phosphate reduction?
<"Tang Heaven" (Gracilaria) is an awesome macroalgae, which would be my first choice for organic nutrient control. However, many people seem to find it a bit tricky to grow. I would utilize any of the Gracilaria species, but I prefer the red variety. The limiting factors in its propagation are nutrients, lighting, and water motion. Try to keep it well lit, and in constant motion.>

i decided to go with just the red gracilaria tikvanhiae for my tangs and angels. well let me know if this info is any help for you.

pilotrob
05-19-2005, 02:08 AM
link didnt work for me but thanks alot for the other info - very good to know! i think ill stick with just the gracilaria.

caseyjaydarling
05-20-2005, 10:55 PM
rob
if you're gonna toss the grapes, i'll take a chunk

Brock Fluharty
05-21-2005, 12:46 AM
Me too! Just PM me if you will send me some, because i've been looking for some on Ebay. I would be glad to pay shipping.



Brock