new thinking on fish list "schooling fish" stock l

[hlama]

hi everyone i was thinking about going a different route. on my other post i was going to get a regal agel. decided not to but still might go with that list but exchange the regal for a yellow tang. or i could go with this list.

Group #1
1-green clown goby (gobioudon atrangulatrus)
1-yellow clown goby (gobioudon okiwawee)
5-lubbock’s fairy wrasse (Cirrhilabrus lubbocki) "schooling ones"

Group#2
5-green chromis (chromis viridi) "schooling ones"
1-false percula clown (amphiprion ocellaris)
1-orcid dottyback (fridmani pseudochromis)

Group#3
1-flameback angel brazilian (centopyge aurantonus)
1-blue hippon tang (paracanthurus hepatus)
1-yellow tang (zebrasoma flavescens)


CREATURES:

1-cleaner shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis))
1-electric blue hermit crab (calcinus elegans)
2-emerald matrix crab (mithrax sculptus)
5-zebra hermit crabs (calcinus laevimanus)
5-red legged mex. hermit crab (clibanarius digueti)
1-red flame serpent starfish (ophioderma rubicundum)
1-tiger serpent starfish (ophiolepsis superba)
5-nassarius snail (nassarius vibex)
10-turbo snails (turbo fluctuosa)

any thoughts on this one??
what do you think? do you like this one or the other one.

for those of you that did not see my other post i have a really different fish list for this tank. started to think about schooling fish and made the list. here is my system and plan.

I have a 72x18x20H tank about 150lbs of live rock with ½” sandbed. 45 gal sump with 30lbs of miracle mud and caulerpa. A sedra 1200gph and 586gph pump(approx. 1700gph) for the returm. Total circulating water 140gal. currently have 5 damsels in the sump. Will run like this for 6mo. Then add crabs and snails. (Creature list below ). Run with these for additional 3mo. Approx 8mo. tank running before first group goes in tank. damsels out. then add each group 1-2mo. Apart.

[BoldAsBrass]

The list is quite complete. I usually have 1 snail/gal. Just a thought

[Doctor_Reef]

Wow....nice list.... I would really look at the number of fish you are adding to a 120 gal tank...if I am adding right that is 17 fish??? That will be a very large bio-load... If you are just going to do a fowlr and the inverts you would be ok but if you are going with corals you may have some problems with Nitrates.... and phosphates...Also you may need to add some of the clean up crews earlier especially the grazers... Other than that Wow - well thought out I would say!!!

[BoldAsBrass]

What Ron Said :-D

[hlama]

Wow....nice list.... I would really look at the number of fish you are adding to a 120 gal tank...if I am adding right that is 17 fish??? That will be a very large bio-load... If you are just going to do a fowlr and the inverts you would be ok but if you are going with corals you may have some problems with Nitrates.... and phosphates...Also you may need to add some of the clean up crews earlier especially the grazers... Other than that Wow - well thought out I would say!!!

thanks for the reply for the number of fish i dont count the little gobies.
and the cleaner crew needs to wait i am running my tank with no lights in the main tank. for about 6mo. should not get the "bad" stuff growing too much. leaving lights off to allow for the coraline and the "good" stuff to get a big foot hold before slowly adding light 1 hour a day x 4days then 2 hoursx3days and so on till full lighting. this should prevent any big blooms. i think if i add the cleaners before i start up the light they will become more like just another nutrient producer. i might just go with one of the schooling groups but add more to the group say 8. having a hard time deciding to for the schooling list or the other more traditional list.

[Doctor_Reef]

Sounds good... But I think to grow coraline algae it needs some light too!!! All types of algae have some light requirements....But other than that sounds good!! Like I said well thought out!!!

[BoldAsBrass]

Hey, even God rested on the seventh, and look at what great reefs (s)he created. If you are that sure of the list, the only other advice I can give you is get insurance, 'cuz you are gonna wanna cry when the contaminants hit the protein skimmer. Let us know how it's going along the way

[hlama]

Hey, even God rested on the seventh, and look at what great reefs (s)he created. If you are that sure of the list, the only other advice I can give you is get insurance, 'cuz you are gonna wanna cry when the contaminants hit the protein skimmer. Let us know how it's going along the way

not so sure about the list the set up yeah. i will keep you guys up to date and thanks for the input very much apreciated thanks everyone.

[hlama]

Sounds good... But I think to grow coraline algae it needs some light too!!! All types of algae have some light requirements....But other than that sounds good!! Like I said well thought out!!!

your right. i have found though that the hair alge, cycno, ect.. "bad" stuff out grows the good stuff when light is introduced. if you give it 3mo. minimum(i am doing 6) and add light slowly over a month time the bad stuff never gets the chance to choke out the good stuff. just find after one year the coralline growth is double what others are and many more colorful variations aswell. basicly i am just doing an extra long time period of seeding and curing the rock which adds a bounus of stabilizising the tank pior to stocking. just my O2 though this might help someone reading this. it is less work anyway.

[BoldAsBrass]

You have an enthusiasm for this project like a CEO of a company. That is good, you take your hobby seriously

[Doctor_Reef]

We will be looking to see some pictures as you progress!!! Keep us updated as you add the groups you have defined!!!

[hlama]

We will be looking to see some pictures as you progress!!! Keep us updated as you add the groups you have defined!!!

will do. i gave up on finding my flash disk. been looking for at least a month now. guess i just need to break down and buy a new one. i it will post my pics soon as i get a new flashdisk. everything is DIY except the main tank. which has been modified a little. but will keep posting updates :-D

[Doctor_Reef]

Great!!! :thumbsup:

[cich1]

i can't wait to see it and kudos on having the patience to let the tank mature before stocking it.
i plan on something similar for a 75g tank, 50% baserock 50% lr and maybe some pods, worms and microstars from ipsf and sit back and wait for about six months

[hlama]

i can't wait to see it and kudos on having the patience to let the tank mature before stocking it.
i plan on something similar for a 75g tank, 50% baserock 50% lr and maybe some pods, worms and microstars from ipsf and sit back and wait for about six months

i think if you wait the 6mo you will be very happy. IMO it is just as much work waitting for the tank to fully mature(FYI average time for any reef stlye tank to reach full maturation is about 9mo. not 3 like the LFS might tell you) but the up side not as fustrating and fighting water conditions. i dont even test the water for 6mo. except ph, salinity and temp.

[cich1]

i know its hard to sit and look at an empty tank for weeks on end but i have 2 sw tanks and 5 fw running so waiting for me is no big deal

[hlama]

very nice. i believe we have seen the light. and kudos to you too. to bad we are in the minority on this. but nice to hear there is at least 2 of us :chuggin:

[Brock Fluharty]

I don't want anyone to like freak out on me, but I started my tank about 2 months ago, and it is fine. I have 19 inhabitants in my tank as of now. They are all ok too. I have a kleins butterfly, black boxfish, 2 true perculas, a domino damsel, a fiji devil damsel, a green mandarin goby (he's doing fine, eating frozen foods!) a yellowtail damsel, and 2 mollies. I also have a gold coral banded shrimp, a camel shrimp, 3 hermits, 3 nass snails, and a chocolate chip starfish. I know I shouldn't have addd them so soon, but my water parameters are all fine, because I used this milk stuff (don't remember the name) that cycles your tank in about 3 days. My perculas are currently in the process of breeding, my starfish has laid eggs, and my mollies have had 2 batches of fry., so i'm guessing they are all very healthy. I think I just got really lucky.




Brock

[hlama]

I don't want anyone to like freak out on me, but I started my tank about 2 months ago, and it is fine. I have 19 inhabitants in my tank as of now. They are all ok too. I have a kleins butterfly, black boxfish, 2 true perculas, a domino damsel, a fiji devil damsel, a green mandarin goby (he's doing fine, eating frozen foods!) a yellowtail damsel, and 2 mollies. I also have a gold coral banded shrimp, a camel shrimp, 3 hermits, 3 nass snails, and a chocolate chip starfish. I know I shouldn't have addd them so soon, but my water parameters are all fine, because I used this milk stuff (don't remember the name) that cycles your tank in about 3 days. My perculas are currently in the process of breeding, my starfish has laid eggs, and my mollies have had 2 batches of fry., so i'm guessing they are all very healthy. I think I just got really lucky.
Brock

i would not say lucky your tank is only 2mo. and with all the nutrients indroduced into the tank by your fish and full lighting (i assume) the "bad stuff will chock out the "good". cycling is one thing but stabalizing is another. most tanks all cycle with in 30days but dosent mean you have a good bacterial foundation. just means the environment is able to support the bac growth both good and bad.. its kinda like putting caulerpa and halimeda in the same sump. the envirorment will grow both but the caulerpa will out grow the halimeda and choke it out.(not the best example but my head is into macro algae right now) it will take some time i would say one or two months you will see what i mean. i believe you have a big battle coming up real soon. as far as the fish go you have some pretty hardy fish that can adapt well in any water. something more delicate wont do so well in these conditions. hope at least you have a big tank with all those fish. your fish are fairly hardy however most of them are pretty aggressive as well. so if not in a big tank there will be aggresstion issues as they grow. just my 02 can take it or leave it

[Doctor_Reef]

Brock - you have ten fish in your tank right now??? What size tank do you have and I am guessing that you have LR, sump, skimmer etc... Just curious about your set up!!! It is cool that you have some mollies... I have been seeing that more lately!!!

[Brock Fluharty]

Yes I have 10 fish in my tank right now. I have a 75 gallon tanl, so i'm guessing that is enough room, because I haven't seen any aggression so far besides the coral bandeds occasional pinch at my box. I don't have a sump or a skimmer...(low on funds at the moment) but I am getting a skimmer ASAP. I have about 35 pounds of LR, a LARGE piece of driftwood, an Emporer 400, and a compact heater. I do pH, salinity, ammnonia, and nitrie tests daily. I feed my fish a mixture of frozn brine shrimp and pellet food. I am holding about 50 starfish eggs in a breeder at the moment, and everything in the tank seems fine.



Brock


P.S...I'll post a picture sometime tonight...