id help, bad pictures included

[cich1]

i've just seen this guy and i wonder what he is, he has a cone shaped shell and looks like a snail and what looks like a scrub brush sticking out from underneath, i know its not a good pic but here it is

[cich1]

i've also found an Urchin i think i read somewhere that these guys aren't reef friendly is this true?

[Angelscrx]

The first one is a snail I have one in my tank but I forget the name. Some one on here will be able to tell you because this is where I found out what it was. It is not a bad thing to have in your tank. The urchin I have heard both positives and negative so I will let someone else give their opinion.

[SaltyDawg]

I believe the snail is a Turbo Snail. Not so sure on the urchins, but I do know that they hurt something aweful when your knee hits them while diving. :-) I had spines in my knee for 6 months before they worked their way out.
Wayne

[gman0526]

The problem with urchins is that they'll eat any kind on algae ...including your coralline!!!, so IMO you're safer by taking him out of there.

[pilotrob]

does the snail have a shell that looks like a small fingernail - if so its probably a stomatella. this guy has a picture of one down in the snails section as well as other various critters id.

http://melevsreef.com/id/

[cich1]

well i guess the urchins got to go then, as for the snail its not a stomatella, it doesn't have a "foot" like most snails it just seems to have little bristles sticking out from under his shell, i tried to pick him up and have a look at his underside but he has a pretty good grip and i didn't want to hurt him trying to pry him off the rock, i'll see if i can get a better pic

[Angelscrx]

stomatella! That's the name i couldn't remember. Mine is the same way and you really can't see a foot just these little bristles sticking out the side. But it does have a foot. Your pic looks just like a stomatella.

I wasn't aware that urchins ate coralline wow that bites.

[cich1]

maybe it is a stomatella, cool 8)

[gman0526]

Yes urchins eat off the coralline too. Here in PR there is a beach that is infested with those little suckers, in this beach there is a reef that use to be covered with all kinds of life now all you can see is bare rock and urchins. :evil:

[cich1]

hes getting his eviction papers tonite :evil: